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Food Label Detective: In Search of Hidden Carbs
With Hope Warshaw on November 13, 2000

Chat Room Administrator chat@childrenwithdiabetes.com (206.112.197.133) Mon Nov 13 2000 20:27:20 Eastern US
The 'Food Matter' chat room is now open. Our special Food Label Detective chat will begin at 9pm Eastern.

Mon Nov 13 2000 20:57:12 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
Hi am i early or late?

Mon Nov 13 2000 20:58:58 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd at 24 months; pump) from 206.112.197.133
Daniel -- a little early. We should start in a minute or two.

Mon Nov 13 2000 20:59:14 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
great :-)

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:01:20 Eastern US
Heidyn (T1) from 164.106.22.58
Hello

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:01:33 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Hi, Jeff. Just adding a little moral support. How's things in the heartland?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:01:57 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd at 24 months; pump) from 206.112.197.133
Good evening Betty. Getting cold here in southern Ohio. Snow possible tomorrow!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:02:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Hi Heidyn

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:02:15 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
hello...

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:02:56 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Well, my friend, better you than me! No antifreeze in Arizonan'z bones!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:03:28 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
Florida is preety nice right now also :-)

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:03:38 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd at 24 months; pump) from 206.112.197.133
I actually look forward to the winter. The kids like the snow, and we appreciate the spring and summer all the more.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:03:45 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Connie -- how many tickets did you get getting home in time for the chat? Nice to see you there!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:03:52 Eastern US
Sara (Jordan,14,dx'd at 12H) from 198.164.200.218
Hi! Dont't feel bad about the snow, we haven't seen the sun in 2 1/2 weeks. RAINING CONSTANTLY!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:04:21 Eastern US
Cheryl (mom of Kate, 15, pumping, dx'd at 11) from 206.9.159.53
HI everyone

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:04:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
I love the seasons too - just not well acclimated

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:05:20 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
I also look forward to spring . . .Spring training :-)

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:05:30 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
LOL Betty, day off!! Stat holiday!!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:05:43 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd at 24 months; pump) from 206.112.197.133
Daniel: With any luck, we'll have a new president by spring training. :-)

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:05:51 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Hi Cheryl

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:06:40 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
God, we all need those now and then, Connie. Good for you!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:07:15 Eastern US
Cheryl (mom of Kate, 15, pumping, dx'd at 11) from 206.9.159.53
Hi BettyB--I haven't joined a Food Matter chat before

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:07:19 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd at 24 months; pump) from 206.112.197.133
Our host, Hope Warshaw, should be here soon.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:07:19 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Jeff, we seem to short one Hope Warshaw. Did you hear from her?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:07:51 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
hubby had to work though!!LOL So I had a real day off!!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:08:08 Eastern US
Sara (Jordan,14,dx'd at 12) from 198.164.200.218
This is my first time too.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:08:20 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd at 24 months; pump) from 206.112.197.133
Betty: I heard from Hope via e-mail today.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:08:25 Eastern US
Cheryl (mom of Kate, 15, pumping, dx'd at 11) from 206.9.159.53
what is the topic tonight??

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:08:28 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
For some great UnPresidented political cartoons:
http://cagle.slate.msn.com/2000/unprez/main.asp

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:08:40 Eastern US
Connie (MI) (Mike, 15 dx 12/97) from 205.188.200.56
Hi

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:08:52 Eastern US
Cheryl (mom of Kate, 15, pumping, dx'd at 11) from 206.9.159.53
SARA--glad to hear I'm not the only new comer

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:09:16 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Topic is how to get the most out of food labels

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:09:19 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Sara, Jordan was diagnosed at 12 hours??? What's the H???

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:09:51 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
How many other countries label their foods the way we do? Do some countries do a better job?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:10:33 Eastern US
Sara (Jordan,14,dx'd at 12) from 198.164.200.218
Ellen....OOPS sorry, I corrected my spelling error

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:10:40 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd at 24 months; pump) from 206.112.197.133
Ellen: I recall seeing food labels in Mexico last week -- on candy bars anyway.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:10:47 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
We are actually incredibly lucky in regard to food labelling. I know of nowhere else in the world where the labels are as common and helpful as here.. and I've checked out about 35 countries so far.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:10:54 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Hi - sorry I'm late. Are there questions on the table?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:11:12 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
I generally just glance at the carbos subtract the fiber and divide by 10

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:11:13 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Let me get the chat started by asking you a few questions:
1. Where do you zero in when you read a Nutrition Facts label?
2. Do you think that “sugars” on the Nutrition Facts are all added sugars?
3. Do you wonder if “sugar alcohols” are sugars or alcoho or neither?
4. Do you realize that fat-free, reduced fat foods are often higher in carb than full fat foods - salad
dressing, sour cream, cream cheese and others?
5. What about the Nutrition Facts label confuses you?
Feel free to jump and pose any question on your mind...

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:11:17 Eastern US
Cheryl (mom of Kate, 15, pumping, dx'd at 11) from 206.9.159.53
BettyB--my daughter and I read the carbos--that's usually the only thing we worry about--should I be concerned about something else?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:11:37 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
Hi Host :-)

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:11:42 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd at 24 months; pump) from 206.112.197.133
Our hostess has arrived. Welcome Hope.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:11:46 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
I make most of my stuff from scratch, but when I buy junk food it's hard to find out what in a lot of the stuff here, I think the american products I buy are labeled better

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:12:02 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
In a lot of countries, the foods that come from the States are labeled

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:12:07 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
How does one learn how to use a gram scale in order to calculate carbs that are from prepared foods? Is there a particular scale that you recommend?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:12:08 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Sounds like you guys are talking about food labels is other countries.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:12:41 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
On Israeli packages they often tell you how many carbs in 100 grams of the contents.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:12:43 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Hey, there's our Hope!! Hi Hope. Thanks for coming.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:13:09 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
I agree with Betty, not that I'm as well traveled as she, but I think we are incredibly lucky. That's especially true for carb counters. If you buy a packaged food, the amount of carb is on the package.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:13:17 Eastern US
Connie (MI) (Mike, 15 dx 12/97) from 205.188.200.56
We started with exchanges, not carb counting, so I watch the fat, carbs & protein. I was amazed at some foods!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:13:26 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
I zero in on the carbs per serving MINUS the dietary fiber.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:13:27 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
hi Hope

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:13:46 Eastern US
Cheryl (mom of Kate, 15, pumping, dx'd at 11) from 206.9.159.53
Hope--I zero in on the carbos only

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:13:51 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
How ACCURATE are the labels though really???

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:14:21 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
I picked up a question about a gram scale. Can you elaborate? Are you confusing grams of food for grams of carbohydrate?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:14:41 Eastern US
Cheryl (mom of Kate, 15, pumping, dx'd at 11) from 206.9.159.53
I don't understand the idea of 'subtracting the fiber'--I've never heard of that--our team has never mentioned fiber to us at all.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:15:16 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
And if it's high fat, I know my son's bg will be high many unpredictable hours later.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:16:04 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
I saw a gram scale that people use for calculating grams of carbs in their food. They have formulas

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:16:10 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
I feel that the labels on foods can be trusted within a reasonable degree of accuracy.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:16:33 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Jeff, did you see the scale that Bob O. has for his kids?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:17:09 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Some people who are very carb sensitive subtract grams of fiber from total carbohydrate grams because fiber is not digested and doesn't yield glucose when digested. This is not necessary for most people unless they are eating REALLY high fiber foods.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:17:30 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd at 24 months; pump) from 206.112.197.133
Ellen: We have a digital gram scale here -- but it's broken and I need to send it back!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:18:13 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
How many grams of fiber in a cup of blueberries?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:18:23 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Ellen do you still weigh food?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:18:26 Eastern US
Cheryl (Kate, 15, pumping, dx'd at 11) from 206.9.159.53
thank you BettyB--I thought maybe we were missing something..

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:19:22 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Jeff I'm sure Marissa misses being able to weigh every gram of food she eats !!!! I know it would be high on Z's birthday list of presents to get ROFLOL.

Connie, Z measures his cereal and milk, which is good, because he often has 3-5 cups at a time.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:19:31 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Betty, Marissa ate 4 pieces of cornbread for dinner and Jeff said, "probably NO fat." I checked the label and found it was relatively high in fat. She was 217 about 30 min. ago and I suspect the cornbread is partly responsible.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:19:45 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Betty is your book available in Canada?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:19:47 Eastern US
Sara (Jordan,14,dx'd at 12) from 198.164.200.218
Is it true that frozen fruit is much higher in carbohydrates? ie.strawberries??

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:20:08 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Hope, don't you find that most people use volume measues or estimates (cup, half cup, etc) instead of weighing?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:20:09 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Good one, Ellen. BRB, Kathryn has misplaced something.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:20:36 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Any questions/thoughts/confusion?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:20:44 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Hi Brenda, haven't got the books yet!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:21:32 Eastern US
Cheryl (Kate, 15, pumping, dx'd at 11) from 206.9.159.53
We have never used a gram scale--we have always guess-timated. We have trouble some times but not always.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:21:41 Eastern US
Heidyn (T1) from 164.106.22.58
are beans high in carbs?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:21:59 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Connie, I don't think you'll find it in bookstores -- but then it's not available in all bookstroes here either!! LOL - Best bet s are Amazon.com and diabetes.org, when ADA hasn't let the print run lapse (as they apparently have ocne again).

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:22:29 Eastern US
*hawk* ((galens) from 207.175.248.69
it wont let me in!!!!1

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:22:36 Eastern US
Cheryl (Kate, 15, pumping, dx'd at 11) from 206.9.159.53
We most the time under estimate and she's high later--but we're working on perfecting our guesses

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:22:39 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Good question Heidyn I had a bean salad awhile ago, and couldn't find a carb count anywhere!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:22:40 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Hope, when "carb counting", and one is consuming either a high fat or high protein meal, how do you adjust for that?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:24:01 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
I don't use my credit card on the internet. to bad it's not in stores.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:24:05 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Yes - I think most people use standard household measures. I think the confusion with the grams comes with people mixing up grams of carbo with weight grams and the two aren't related.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:24:22 Eastern US
Heidyn (T1) from 164.106.22.58
I love beans,but I've heard they are high in carbs-especially baked beans

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:25:58 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
I never weigh or measure I just look and estimate unless I am eating packaged food then I read the label.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:26:09 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Regarding protein and fat. I don't believe there are any hard and fast rules. I think people need to determine how their body respond to higher pro and fat meals. The advantage on some of the pumps is that you can use extended duration boluses to cover this type of situation

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:27:24 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
I weaigh if it's not a usual food, mostly I do exchange servings, and guestimate

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:27:37 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
The only time I really weighed things were when I was not sure how to deal with potato chips or the like. It usually says "about 14" per serving. Well, some are the size of a quarter and others 3 times larger. I also used to weigh baby carrots. I rarely measure, just eyeball it!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:27:43 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
If you love beans, that's great. Beans are incredibly healthy - lots of fiber and lots of vits and mins. Yes, packed with carb, but it tend to be slower acting carb

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:28:39 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
I try to stay away from those beans that say "honey" or "brown sugar" on the label.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:28:51 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
also lots of sugar in baked beans

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:28:59 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Most dried beans when cooked have about 15 grams carb per 1/3 cup or around 20 grams carb per half cup.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:29:04 Eastern US
Sara (Jordan,14,dx'd at 12) from 198.164.200.218
Is frozen fruit higher in carbs than regular fruit? ie.strawberries

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:29:17 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Seems to be discussion on merits of weighing and measuring. I must say I would encourage people to weigh and measure foods, once you feel you've got things eyeballed well, about once a month - just to keep yourself honest and on target.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:30:04 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Sara, do you mean fruit that's frozen as is, rather than in syrup?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:30:35 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
I use molassis when I do bakes beans, seldom buy them

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:31:05 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Question about frozen fruit. Just to clarify - becareful when buying frozen fruit that it is fruit only and not fruit and syrupy sugar. If it's just fruit, you can figure the same carb for the same amount of fresh. However, you've got the nutrition facts on the label to refer to.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:31:10 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
I don't know of any fruits you can freeze "as is" except blueberries. I just pop those little plastic pints in the freezer and use them later for muffins.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:31:25 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
How many of your clients go on weighing and measuring over time, Hope?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:31:53 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
We get frozen strawberries, frozen melon balls, frozen mango chunks....all without anything added. My kids love that stuff.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:32:12 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Brenda, I freeze all fruit as is!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:33:09 Eastern US
Sara (Jordan,14,dx'd at 12) from 198.164.200.218
Yes, I freeze strawberries to put in my sons milkshake, he likes milk,banana and strawberry milkshakes,we count this as 32gms.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:33:09 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Connie, do you use them to cook with? I am assuming you do, since I can't imagine thawing a banana or such and eating it uncooked.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:34:17 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Hmm, wish I'd thought of that a few wks ago, Sara. I ended up tossing out a pint or qt (can't remember) of strawberries that I didn't use for 2 days. On day 3, mold was growing on them.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:34:17 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Sasha loves to just eat frozen mango chunks. Z likes to add frozen fruit to his cereal...but he is unusual.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:34:29 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Some I use to cook with, some thaw well, the berries and ,melons, apples , pears, all thaw well! for a fruit salad, and when thawed they male their own juice.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:34:42 Eastern US
Sara (Jordan,14,dx'd at 12) from 198.164.200.218
I have heard an outrageous number for frozen strawberries 72 gms per cup, maybe they meant in syrup

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:35:04 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Sounds like someone needs to come up with a low sugar baked beans recipe. I bet there is one out there.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:35:21 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
If you use 4 frozen bananas in a banana bread, you can leave the egg out.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:36:13 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Hope baked beans without molassis would be horrible!!!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:36:57 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Sara I bet you are correct. That's for strawberries in sauce.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:37:26 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
I eat "Sonny's" baked beans once in a while and always by bg's stay up all afternoon.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:37:45 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
But I wouldn't trade them for low sugar Bbeans!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:38:29 Eastern US
Sara (Jordan,14,dx'd at 12) from 198.164.200.218
Thanks, Hope I feel better now. I stopped making the milkshakes thinking they were too high in carbs.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:38:31 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
I was thinking that, too, Daniel. Without all that sugar, who wants the beans? LOL

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:38:44 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Connie - I'm not thinking about totally taking out molasses. I agree they provide a bunch of taste. I'm suggesting that you could probably use less molasses and use some no-cal sweetener to make up for some of the sweet taste of the molasses. Let's challenge Robyn Webb with that one.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:38:48 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
now I'm craving baked beans...LOL....haven't made any since I've been on the pump....gues what I'm doing on the weekend.....

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:39:09 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
I bet those shakes would be good the evening after a lot of exercise, like skating, track, etc.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:39:38 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
I'll just take the insulin Hope, I don't use sweeteners, ever.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:39:55 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Robyn will be doing the chat next week -- on T-Day stuff --

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:40:13 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
You guys - I'm from Boston. I love baked beans.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:40:28 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
same here Connie

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:40:57 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
I take a square bolus and spread it over an hour or so

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:41:13 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
LOL Hope!!
Brenda, frozen fruit and ice cubes crushed make nice drinks too

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:42:25 Eastern US
Heidyn (T1) from 164.106.22.58
lower sugar in baked beans sounds good to me-I don't use the pump so its more difficult for me to figure this stuff in

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:43:04 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
I cheat and use canned beans. I usually just heat and serve--Marissa loves them this way, but sometimes I add brown sugar, Worcestershire sauce and a few other things, never molasses. I actually bought molasses today for the first time. I kept seeing gingerbread recipes that called for it. Marissa wants to make a gingerbread house, but I have one question: If you make the gingerbread and cut it on one day and don't finish making the house for another 2 days, is it still edible? Or, just for show? (OK, that's 2 questions.)

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:44:18 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
In south Florida we eat a lot of black beans.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:44:37 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
I just made molassis raison cookies for hubby last week, and those cookies usually last about 1-2 weeks bfore drying out.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:45:18 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Brenda, they sell them pre cut, so they must be ok to eat later!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:47:16 Eastern US
brandon from 207.115.63.29
yo-yo

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:47:30 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
black beans and rice, Ellen, now THERE'S a "carb bomb"!! LOL

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:48:06 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Hi Brandon

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:48:06 Eastern US
Amy (Ali, 10 pumping) from 64.12.104.179
Ellen, I had a recipe for brownies that called for a can of black beans pureed - they tasted great, but you had to eat them fairly quickly - because they didn't keep well,

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:48:13 Eastern US
Sara (Jordan,14,dx'd at 12) from 198.164.200.218
Good night everyone, it's 10:45 in eastern Canada got to go to sleep! Night!!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:48:38 Eastern US
Amy (Ali, 10 pumping) from 64.12.104.179
Once anyone finds out there are black beans in them, they don't want to go near them!!!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:48:40 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
We're not into those "ethnic" foods too much, Ellen. I know they are pretty much a staple in the Cuban food down there. Marissa does try some foods at her friend's house since the girl's mom is from Colombia and making foods I'd never try!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:48:56 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Where in the east Sara?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:49:19 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Night Sara - thanks for coming!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:49:26 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
Any other thoughts/questions out there?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:49:34 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Amy my mother used to make a chocolate cake with mashed potatoes that tasted like fudge in the middle...ever have that?

Betty- aren't black beans high in fiber?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:49:36 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Judith from the Parents chat room (well, she's there alot) had a chocolate cake recipe a few yrs ago that used sauerkraut. Now, I like choc. cake and sauerkraut, but NOT mixed together.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:49:41 Eastern US
brandon ((15) been diabetic for 6 years) from 207.115.63.29
how is everyone doing tonight

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:50:00 Eastern US
Sara (Jordan,14,dx'd at 12) from 198.164.200.218
New Brunswick

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:50:14 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Yes Hope, where can I find carb counts for food one would find in Indian restaurants?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:50:24 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
I try everything Brenda!! It's hard to figure the insulin for some of it!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:50:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
No complaints tonight, Brandon. How are you?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:50:50 Eastern US
Amy (Ali, 10 pumping) from 64.12.104.179
Never tried that Ellen - sounds better than the black bean brownies

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:50:57 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
doing ok Brandon how are you?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:50:58 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Brandon, Katie's son???

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:51:07 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
brandon, do you weigh or measure your foods? That's one of the things we were discussing earlier? Seems some of us do and some don't.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:51:28 Eastern US
brandon ((15) been diabetic for 6 years) from 207.115.63.29
what are u talking about complaints?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:51:32 Eastern US
Jane (Miranda, 13) from 24.113.6.62
Hello, sorry I'm late. Ellen, my aunt made something that she called tomato soup cake

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:51:48 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Amy: http://www.culinary.com/foodtext/chocolat/1022.shtml

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:52:11 Eastern US
brandon ((15) been diabetic for 6 years) from 207.115.63.29
nope i never weigh my fooddo unless im at camp

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:52:13 Eastern US
Heidyn (T1) from 164.106.22.58
gotta go,goodnight all

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:52:22 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
mmmmmmmmm sounds . . ahh interesting Jane :-o

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:52:32 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Hope, how does one take a recipe like the mashed potatoe chocolate cake, and calculate the carbs per serving?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:52:49 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Do your parents help with your meal planning, or do you do a lot of it on your own?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:52:53 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
night Heidyn

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:53:08 Eastern US
Jane (Miranda, 13) from 24.113.6.62
It was supposed to be good-I never got up the nerve to try it!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:53:16 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Why don't you weigh food Brandon?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:53:42 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Tomato Soup Cake http://www.cakerecipe.com/az/TomatSoupCake.asp
That's a new one for me...sounds interesting!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:53:50 Eastern US
brandon ((15) been diabetic for 6 years) from 207.115.63.29
i do evrything on my own...shots...food...etc.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:53:52 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Ellen, mashed potatoes in cakes and rolls do make a wonderful product!! And, yes, black beans have quite a bit of fiber..don't have any books here at home to look it up, but I'm think about about 2-3 grams per half cup. Hope, do you know fiber value of black beans by any chance?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:54:05 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Ellen, in the past Jeff has talked about some program or website where you just type in the recipe and out comes the nutritional info. He's not available to help--tucking in the girls.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:54:20 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
too much of a hastle for me Connie . . Id rather guess and check a couple hours after eating.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:54:26 Eastern US
brandon ((15) been diabetic for 6 years) from 207.115.63.29
i dont feel like doing it i never have and never will

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:54:28 Eastern US
Anne from 208.167.185.59
Ellen, you call your RD at the endo office and ask her to do it. Ha

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:54:52 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
(sshhhh Daniel, me too)

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:55:00 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Jane, I guess it was when you were a child! I remember clearly how I would never, ever eat things like chili or pumpkin bread and I like both now.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:55:26 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Sounds like a great program...Brenda.
Here's one for the sauerkraut chocolate cake
http://www.strubpickles.com/Recipes/recipessauerkrautchoc.htm

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:55:37 Eastern US
Christian "pancreas alone xplant 8/7/00" from 209.252.168.112
Does anyone find that they tend bindge eat becuase of their diabetes...??

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:56:02 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Anne, I haven't talked with our RD since my son was put on the pump and she told us that just because he's on the pump doesn't mean he can eat cookies.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:56:12 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Jeff just passed through to say that there are several programs that do that, but he couldn't remember them. I'll e-mail you the info if I can find it!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:56:16 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
sorry Connie . . .but one of the things that makes this disease barable is the abilty to be as normal as possible (at least for me.)Christian, I did as a teen.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:57:01 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Daniel, Connie and Brandon - I'd have to say that very few of my patients weigh and measure as an ongoing part of their management -- checking BG after to see the effect and then getting a sense from that of "a little more or less insulin next time" is close enough, in my experience, for most people to get good BG control

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:57:03 Eastern US
Christian "pancreas alone xplant 8/7/00" from 209.252.168.112
I did to ...just out of fear of passing out due to low BSS

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:57:13 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Christian, I binge because of my child's diabetes.

Thanks Brenda, I was hoping he would put a utility on this website for it. :-)In his spare time of course.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:57:30 Eastern US
Anne from 208.167.185.59
I know that as the bgs increase, appetite increases, so if you binge with the hi, then perhaps that is the reason. Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish if the hunger and eating caused the hi or if the hi caused the hunger and eating.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:57:49 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
LOL - good for you, Ellen!

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:57:50 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
whew thanks Betty :-)

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:57:59 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
I don't think Marissa has had a binge period yet. She did want French fries every day last June, but that phase passed. She has overindulged on the H'ween candy, even with the pump. It's the fat in those choc. bars that caused her problems.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:58:12 Eastern US
Christian "pancreas alone xplant 8/7/00" from 209.252.168.112
Ellen lol

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:58:34 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.108
Is this the site you were looking for? Just dropped in and saw the question.....

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:58:39 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Christian, how do you feel post transplant? Do you still test your bg from time to time? Any side effects from the antirejection meds? Are you instructed not to overtax your body with large quantities of carbs at once, or is it ok to eat whatever you want when you want now that you have a fully functioning beta cell system?

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:58:58 Eastern US
brandon ((15) been diabetic for 6 years) from 207.115.63.29
what is a binge???

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:59:17 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
Good night everyone. Thanks Host and Betty keep up the good work :-)

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:59:18 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Judith, your ears must have been ringing! I was talking about your Sauerkraut Choc. cake a while ago.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:59:44 Eastern US
Food Matters (Chat Host) from 205.188.195.26
If there are no more questions/thoughts, I'll sign off. Thanks for joining.

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:59:46 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Betty, I do weigh and measure occasionally, and when I'm having "unexplainable" #'s and want to try and find the cause! Day to day , I do the exchange/serving thing

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:59:47 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
binge = eating nonstop till you can't eat no more

Mon Nov 13 2000 21:59:47 Eastern US
Christian "pancreas alone xplant 8/7/00" from 209.252.168.112
I feel great no problems or side effects and I eat what ever I want but have still lost 18 lbs since the surgery

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:00:33 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Christian that is WONDERFUL news!!! Thanks for sharing :-). Just curious, where did you have your tx?

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:00:41 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.108
Cool, Brenda! My mother found that recipe in the St. Louis Globe-Democrat about 40 yrs ago.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:01:02 Eastern US
brandon ((15) been diabetic for 6 years) from 207.115.63.29
thanks daniel

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:01:06 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Hope, thanks for joining us again tonight. We could go on for hours with all our whining and complaining. :-) Your advice, as usual, has been quite valuable. BYE

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:01:13 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie,17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.34
Hello!

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:01:18 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Bye Hope, thanks!!

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:01:35 Eastern US
Anne from 208.167.185.59
Connie I do the same with measuring. When bgs start getting odd, I go back to measuring for a day or two to see if that is the culprit.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:01:41 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.108
Marcia and I are twins in lateness, too! LOL

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:01:47 Eastern US
Christian "pancreas alone xplant 8/7/00" from 209.252.168.112
I now have more energy ..less mood swings and overall feel like a whole new person

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:01:48 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
your welcome

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:01:54 Eastern US
brandon ((15) been diabetic for 6 years) from 207.115.63.29
can you have a pancreas transplant

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:02:01 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
Thanks, Hope!!

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:02:07 Eastern US
LInda/UT from 216.190.28.33
Hello...other good democratic things Judith? :-)

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:02:11 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Thanks Hope and Betty B. And of course Brenda H. :-)

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:02:22 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
And, thanks to you, too, Betty.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:02:30 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie,17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.34
LOL---actually cooked a meal tonight!.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:02:34 Eastern US
Christian "pancreas alone xplant 8/7/00" from 209.252.168.112
The surgery was done at the University of Maryland Medical Center in Baltimore ..DR. Stephen Bartlett

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:03:30 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Christian, would you be willing to chat with a friend of mine who is considering a transplant? Can she send you an email?

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:03:38 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie,17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.34
do you bolus at all for protein.. say you have a large steak and salad? theoretically Steph should only bolus for the glass of milk she drank...didn't want the potato.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:04:05 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Marcia did you have frozen margaritas to inspire you? :-)

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:04:34 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 10.0.1.3
Christian participated in a chat in late Aug. about his transplant. See http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/chat/transcript/20000830transplant.htm

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:04:47 Eastern US
brandon ((15) been diabetic for 6 years) from 207.115.63.29
what is bolus

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:04:49 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Thanks Brenda.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:04:54 Eastern US
BettyB (Tempe, Arizona) from 205.188.192.186
You're welcome, you guys - I always learn something when I hang out here! Remember next Monday night, Robyn Webb the cookbook guru will be here -- bring your questions about how to count grandma's yam casserole!! Night!

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:05:01 Eastern US
Christian "pancreas alone xplant 8/7/00" from 209.252.168.112
Yes that would be fine cHobbis@prodigy.net....thank you for remembering Brenda

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:05:36 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
I do Marcia, I take 4-6 units for salad, with a steak, depending on the dressing, if the dressing is fat free of lemon jce I take 4, if it is a regular dressing I take 6

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:05:42 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.55.168
bolus = a pump term . . .a dose of insulin to cover a meal or bring down a high bg number.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:05:52 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Thanks Betty!

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:06:14 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
of lemon should be OR lemon

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:06:15 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.108
Night Betty and Hope
Brandon, come to the parents' room (this one is closing) and we'll answer your questions.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:06:23 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.183
Time for me to tuck in the new kitten and go to sleep. Good night all.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:06:39 Eastern US
Jane (Miranda, 13) from 24.113.6.62
thanks, bye!

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:06:58 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 10.0.1.3
Connie, what do you put in your salad that you need to bolus? Our salads are usually just lettuce and tomatoes, sometimes cuke thrown in and Marissa eats about 1 oz. meat.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:07:10 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
Do we bring our recipes Betty?? (depending on traffic)

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:07:21 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.108
ANOTHER new kitten, Ellen? You're as bad as Marcia...Running a shelter there?

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:07:33 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 10.0.1.3
Switching to Parents.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:08:46 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.117.23
cuke, peppers,celery,cherry tomatoes, onions,radish, spinich.....etc, sometimes olives and feta

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:09:38 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie,17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.117
Costco was out of the margarita buckets :-( or I might have.. this was a meal stone cold sober.. lucky I didn't shock Phil into a heart attack.. did I tell you about his finger?..did you see it while you were here? and hear me tell him I thought it was dislocated or broken??? WELL!!> it WAS broken.. now has to have surgery to fix it.. (would have been able to just splint it if he had gone to the Dr in July.

Mon Nov 13 2000 22:11:09 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie,17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.117
Night, Ellen...1 ounce of meat?? why botherLOL-- these were probably 10 oz steaks.. I'll head to parents, too.



                 
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