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General Food Issues
With Betty Brackenridge on December 4, 2000

Chat Room Administrator chat@childrenwithdiabetes.com Mon Dec 4 2000 20:30:00 Eastern US
The 'Food Matters' chat room is now open.


Mon Dec 4 2000 20:55:51 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Welcome to all Diabetes123 and ChildrenwithDiabetes users! I'm glad you're here for tonight's Food Matters Chat. Our topic is "Obesity: Does It Harm or Merely Offend?" This is an issue of extreme interest and importance, especially to those with type 2 diabetes. We are very fortunate to have Marion Franz as our chat host. Marion is simply one of our country's leading authorities on all things nutritional, especially as they apply to diabetes. You may be familiar with Marion's name from one of her many books published by the International Diabetes Center, including the pererennial "bible" Exchanges for All Occasions. Our Host should be joining us in about 5 minutes.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:01:48 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Hi Betty. I'm here but need to take care of the kids tonight. The room's all set for you. Call if you need anything.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:02:59 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Thanks, Jeff- I think I'm it!!

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:03:30 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Well, I posted notes in the parents and teens room. Hope that helps. I'll be back later to check on the shut down (scheduled for 10:30).

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:04:03 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
If the host doesn't make it, we'll chat about whatever with whoever -

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:09:02 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
Hi Betty

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:09:03 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
Hello.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:09:34 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
Hi cutie

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:10:00 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Hey, Tink!! Welcome -- and cutie as well - Looks like our host is a no-show this evening, so we can chat about whatever nutrition stuff might interest you

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:10:04 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
Hello Tink, how are you tonight?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:10:36 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
Hello

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:10:42 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
That sounds fine to me!

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:10:52 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
Hello Heidyn

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:10:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
As a new pumper, Tink, how's it going? Which pump you using?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:11:10 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
Doing okay cutie, and you?

I just stopped in for a sec Betty. Let's see, nutrition stuff. This isn't very nutritious, but what are your guidelines for bolusing for alcohol?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:11:18 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Heidyn - good to see you

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:11:40 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
It's going GREAT! I'm using the Disetronic Htron plus.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:11:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
LOL -- what's your drink of choice Tink?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:12:12 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
I'm good.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:12:42 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
Well, actually, I don't drink very often at all. But on special occasions I like the sweet stuff...like midori (melon ball) or something like that.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:12:55 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
and what kind of insulin are you using in that shiny new H-Tron - Humalog I suspect?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:12:59 Eastern US
Gpappy (I'm in Pumpy Love) from 216.87.138.234
In and out myself!

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:13:50 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
Hey George! *smile* I'm trying to multi-chat..and not doing too well. *chuckle*

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:14:05 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
Except I was in a bad mood a little while ago which I think diabetics get in bad moods easily, at least I do anyways. It takes but a few seconds for me to get into a bad mood. I've been like that since I was diagnosed.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:14:21 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
Yes, using Humalog. The only one to use! (in my opinion and circumstances)

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:15:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Well, I know this is hard duty, but you actually have to do some drinking to figure it out! The alcohol itself you do NOT bolus for. It requires no insulin, doesn't raise blood sugar and actually increases your risk for lows. But it's the sweet stuff -- I generally have folks experiment with a relly light bolus at first and then work up - maybe 1/2 as much as you would bolus for the same amount of carb in another form. Is that clear?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:15:53 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
Betty, during times of sickness-is subsisting on only sugary fluids a good idea,or can this produce ketones( if your sugars are normal but you are taking in less calories due to not eating as much)

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:16:46 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
Yes, I had heard the alocohol can lower the blood sugars, but in most of the sweet drinks I have, they have some kind of fruit juice?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:17:47 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
Betty, I have a question. Is it common for diabetics to get in a bad mood easier than people that don't have diabetes?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:18:42 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
I can be moody if my blood sugars are not in control, that's for sure. : )

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:19:23 Eastern US
rea from 206.72.22.12
hi

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:19:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Heidyn, just getting some calories, fluids and carbs in is a priority when you're that sick -- anything that you can sneak in when you feel bad is fine. We suggest that our patients with type 1 do this on sick days: lood sugar above 250, use fluids without sugar, blood sugar below 150, use fluids WITH carb - like regular soda, jello, fruit juice. Make sense? You CAN get small ketones when you are eating nothing and taking in no calories. It's only when ketones get in to the moderate to large range that they're most likely related to shortage of insulin.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:21:01 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
I just wanted to know because ever since I was diagnosed with diabetes, I have been way more moody than before.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:21:54 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13--dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Hi all. Guess Marion isn't going to make it.
Just thought I'd share something I learned at Marissa's endo visit last week: For pumpers--you should bolus at least half your meal/snack bolus before or during the meal. This should result in a .5 lowering of your A1C.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:21:54 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Tink, the midori has a lot of sugar. I don't have a big enough food count book here at home tonight to look it up. But that carb in the midori is what needs to be counted -- same with sour mix, regulaar coke in a rum and coke, or orange juice in a screwdriver. You don't bolus for the alcohol but you MAY need to bolus for the sugar it's swimming around in.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:22:47 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
Gues I'll just have to keep trying til I get it right. ; )

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:23:03 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
how long is it advisable to go on this sort of diet if you have got a sickness that lasts a couple weeks?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:23:14 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13--dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
I guess I should've explained that Marissa always bolused AFTER eating.

Cutie, I can get real angry really fast and I don't have diabetes. Of course, I do have 3 children! Kids can do the nastiest things to each other.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:23:18 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
Have to go now. Thanks for the visit and the info! Have a great chat!

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:23:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Moodiness can definitely be a feature of some people's response to fluctuating blood sugars. My dad (a sweetheart under normal circumstances) threw a wing chair out our front window shortly before he was diagnosed! LOL Now THAT was a bit bey9nd "moody," And if it goes beyond moodiness into depression, that too is more common in diabetes - some experts think it's related to the blood sugars, but others say they don't know why.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:24:08 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
Before I was diagnosed, I wasn't near as moody as I am now.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:24:33 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Bye, Tink - enjoy that pump!

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:25:13 Eastern US
Tink (Fairly new pumper) from 63.161.31.174
Thanks Betty! Bye folks! *gone*

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:25:38 Eastern US
rea from 206.72.22.12
i get angry faster i found out too.. i threw a shoe through a window in our front door and i usually wound never do that.. but i guess u could also just say its teen hormones cuz im 15.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:25:44 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13--dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Marissa, at 13, has quite an attitude, but I do notice that she is especially nasty when over 300.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:25:50 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
After almost three years of being a diabetic, can they still be in "denial" about having diabetes? That's what my endo told me one day when I went to see him.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:25:51 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
Hey

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:25:53 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
Bye Tink

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:25:55 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
before I was diagnosed,I am ashamed to admit how depressed I was-thank goodness it dissapeired mostly when I was dx'd and my high bgs went down

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:26:22 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
Hi Zia

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:26:23 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13--dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
rea, you're right that we parents often blame those hormones.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:26:24 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
what you guys talking about

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:27:04 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Yikes, Heidyn! If you have something that lasts more than a day or two, only able to keep down liquids, please just get in touch with your doc or health care team. That's definitely too long to live on 7-up!

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:28:14 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Brenda - that's very interesting about the bolusing before. I wonder if that is his observation or from a study. The only studies I know of along those lines show that there is NO difference in glucose control whether Jumalog is dose before or after eating. Maybe it has something to do with how high the blood sugar is at the start of the meal.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:28:18 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
Hey, am i the only teen here

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:28:55 Eastern US
rea from 206.72.22.12
i also found its not good to have a big thing happen that puts u in shock all nite.. cuz i go straight up then like 4 hours later i plunge

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:29:05 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Hi, Zia -- we're chatting about any food or nutrition topic that rows your boat. Anything on your mind?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:29:09 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
No. I'm a teen too but I can't say my "actual" age.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:29:58 Eastern US
rea from 206.72.22.12
i have to go bye

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:30:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
bye, rea

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:30:39 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
hey cutie remeber me.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:30:42 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
My mom really dosen't like it when I eat something with sugar in it. She don't even like me eating things with so much carbohydrates in it. What's the limit on how much sugar and carbohydrates diabetics should eat?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:30:49 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
Bye Rea

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:31:09 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
so how are you cutie

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:31:13 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
Zia...sorry, I don't remember you.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:31:28 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
I'm fine, thanks for asking. How are you?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:32:19 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
Betty, after today I'm inclined to agree -the stomach bug has absolutely doubled the efficiency of my insulin and I'm tired of drinking coke on an upset stomach for lows

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:32:28 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
I'm ok. My b/s was 420. I took a very big shot

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:33:05 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
cutie, there isn't any difference in nutrition needs between people who have diabetes and those who don't You need quite a bit of carbohdyrate just to be healthy - to get the foods you need. The trick is to match your insulin to that need. I hope you can help your mom get hands on some recent information about nutrition and diabetes these days -- avoiding sugar andother carbs is simply not considered to be either helpful or necessary anymore.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:33:46 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
I hate high b/s, and i took all my shot, and b/s were ok today too.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:35:04 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
Does anyone have any advise

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:35:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Heidyn, sounds like you've hit the wall. And your probably all out of glycogen stores in your liver after so long of nt being able to eat normally. That means you wouldn't have any reserve to counter a bad low. You gonna give the doc a call tomorrow?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:35:31 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
I know that everyone needs carbohydrates for energy. I eat a lot of it because if I don't I know I'll get tired. Should I avoid eating sweets period or is it okay to have some?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:35:58 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
you bet, Betty

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:37:10 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Zia, it's hard to comment on blood sugars without knowing patterns (instead of a single sugar) or what your food and insulin have been for the day. I would suggest though that you keep a close eye on your blood sugars, testing every hour or so i you took an unusually big dose (especially if it was Humalog) to treat that 420 reading you got.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:37:11 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
I like the sugerfree candy, it still counts a little

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:38:41 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
cutie, a few sweets are fine for you, just as they are for someone who doesn't have diabetes. The trick is to get good information on how to count them. Do you adjust your insulin doses for the fods you eat or do you take set doses?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:38:57 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
I love sugar-free foods. But I have noticed that in the sugar-free foods, there are more carbohydrates than the "normal" stuff.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:38:59 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
Maybe I should not eat a lot for me after noon snack

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:40:09 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
I take set doses. If I need to, I'll take more insulin. If my sugar is higher then normal or I'm going to be eating a lot of carbohydrates for some reason (espicially are Thanksgiving) then I'll talke more.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:40:20 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Zia, glad you found some candy you like. But you know, some of that sugar-free stuff has just as much carbohdyrate as the regular candy -- like the sugar-free gummi bears! They taste half as good and cost twice as much as the real ones and have just as much carb.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:41:17 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
My doctor said it's ok to have real candy once in a while

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:41:46 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Be sure to check your blood sugar after you eat those "sugar free" candies that have so much carb - you may find that thney raise your blood sugar just as much as the real thing.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:42:39 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
I've realized that sugar-free stuff does have more carbohydrates than the actual stuff. So therefore if I get it, my mom tells me I can only eat so much since there is so many carbohydrates in it. When she tells me that, I just sit there and think, "I need just as much carbohydrates as anyone else does"

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:43:00 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
I took 70H on thanksgiving, I normally take 20

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:43:17 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
The sugar in foods is not any more of a concern for blood sugar control than anything else -- you just need to have the right amount of insulin around to handle whatever you eat.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:44:12 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
Cutie what is your normal dose

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:44:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
cutie, if she's aware of the carb counting, look around for rel candies you like that are fairly low in carbs - Hershays with Almonds only has 21 grams in a bar - less than a "sugar-free" chocolate bar!

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:45:25 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Zia, that is a BOATLOAD of insulin!! How did that work for you?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:45:52 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
My morning is 58nph & 14h, lunch 12h, dinner 20h bed 24nph

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:46:03 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
I take humulin twice a day, usually 32 and 22. And I take humalog twice a day, 10 both times. If my b/g level is high or I eat something with a lot of carbohydrates, I'll take more humalog.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:47:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
cutie - does your mom ever come on this site? There's a lot of good information in the "Basics" and "Nutrition" sections that would explain the current thinking about sweets and carbs.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:47:50 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
the "sugarfree" fructose chocolate bars are not the greatest-(taste bad and I had an allergic reaction to them)are their any other sweetners used in sugar free chocolate bars?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:48:08 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
At first I didn't like the idea of diabetes so I didn't take shots. Now I have to take a lot of Inulin just to stay in the high 100's

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:49:12 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Heidyn, sugar alcohols are used in all of the "sugar free" chocolates, as far as I know. Why not just use the real thing?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:49:21 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
My mom has never been to this website. I've told her how good this website is and how good the chatrooms are but she still hasn't been here yet.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:49:53 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
my doctor and i are fixing it step by step

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:50:31 Eastern US
Tyler from 205.156.192.21
hi

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:50:40 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Zia, sounds like those teen normones are making you pretty insulin resistant. It's a common situation.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:51:10 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
you mean real chocolate bars?

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:51:17 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 14 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
Hi all - can i kick in here....

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:51:31 Eastern US
cutie2000 from 209.86.45.52
Well, it was nice chatting. Thanks for the information. It's bedtime.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:51:47 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
bye,cutie..

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:51:50 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 14 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
Zia - Allie took that much insulin pre-pump - now that she's pumping she;s using less than half that amount - NPH is an evil thing

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:52:18 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Night Cutie -- Yeah, Heidyn, just your regular old garden variety Hershye bar --

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:52:22 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 14 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
Also - we TOTALLY stay away from the sugar-free stuff - it really is more for Type 2s than Type 1s - our doctor and CDE say a carb is a carb is a carb

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:52:46 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
we're trying to get me the pump to help fix it. my mom & dad like the idea of insulin going in me all the time

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:53:38 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
Bye cutie

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:53:42 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Hershey's with Almonds, M&M's with Peanuts and Snickers Bars are all tasty chhocolate things that I know can work as well as the sugar-free stuff as far as blood sugar control

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:54:15 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
Hey Steve

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:54:41 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
As long as they keep bs steady and not high that is(like during exercise)

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:55:03 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
Hello.....
I certainly let my boys have sweets (in Dave's case, he'd take them anyway) but I would have to disagree with the concept that "a carb is a carb is a carb" as far as effect on bg.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:55:15 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
I like the snicker bars better

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:55:17 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
Well,must say goodnight..Thanks for the chat and have a great evening

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:55:20 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Steve - I don't recommend that stuff for type 2's either - by and large, it's a rip-off -- more money - just as many carbs or more and also just as many calories -- where's the win? except for the manufacturer!!

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:55:22 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 14 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
Hi all - as I said - we stay away from the sugar free stuff - that maltitol, sorbitol, etc can wreak havoc on your stomach

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:55:40 Eastern US
Kylie (Tyler 13 dx'd at 11) from 205.156.192.21
hi all my son finially left the computer

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:55:57 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
I already like Judith

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:56:38 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
What about glycemic index? Why bother to treat lows with simple carbs like glucose tabs, juice or regular soda, if the same amount of carb in a piece of bread would do the same thing? I realize that's an extreme example, but it proves my point: equal amounts of carb can have differing effects on bg, in terms of how high and how fast they raise it.

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:56:45 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.60
uggh,sugar alcohols...I think I need to go take something to soothe my stomach

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:56:46 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Hey Judith!! welcome -- a carb IS a carb, but some are surely a lot slower than others which can make a big difference in how HIGH a blood sugar goes after eating

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:57:28 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 14 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
Judith - you took my comments TOTALLY out of context

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:57:51 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
Hello kylie,steve, this is the 13 year old with the really bad b/s readings

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:57:53 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Has anyone here ever had the charming experience of eating a whoel bag of something "sugar free" - only to be blessed with a roaring case of "sugar alcohol diarrhea?" NO FUN!!

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:58:07 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
Carb may be a carb in terms of total calories, but not in effect on bg....

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:59:17 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
I hate the BettyB

Mon Dec 4 2000 21:59:49 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
I didn't see any "context", Steve, and you're certainly not the only one who says that. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but have certainly observed widely variable effects on bg with equal amounts of carb in different foods.

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:00:14 Eastern US
Kylie (Tyler 13 dx'd at 11) from 205.156.192.21
we battle a lot of lows with ty swimming all the time

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:01:11 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
(I'm not trying to fight with Betty, either. I LIKE Betty, recommend her book far and wide!)

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:01:15 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
Sorry but got to go and make sure I went down from 420. Bye

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:01:25 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 14 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
Judith - you ARE being argumentative. I was making a very limited statement saying that when it comes to replacing a 'real' food with a 'sugar-free' version of the same thing, you are not saving anything by going with the sugar free - because in that situation and with that food - a carb is a carb is a carb.

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:02:06 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
Ok, Steve - I'm arguing with your statement.

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:02:25 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
No "fight" perceived - Judith - I agree with you -- there ARE "fast" and "slow" carbs -- they're just not the same things for everybody

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:02:44 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
did i miss something. Betty has a book what is it called

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:03:32 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
And I agree with that, Betty. So many other factors, such as other components of the meal, rate of digestion, etc

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:04:04 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Got a couple of them Zia - but Judith is a big fan of "Sweet Kids" -

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:04:10 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
Betty has a GREAT book, "Sweet Kids" Covers all aspects of kids/food/diabetes with very practical advice.

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:05:35 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
My mom is reading and wants to know were can she find it

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:05:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
LOLOL - reading back down, I think this last exchange points up one of the shortcomings of typed real tiem communication - having been on chats with both Judith and Steve before, I'd guess you two are pretty close in your views on this subject -

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:06:27 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 14 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
Agreed, betty

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:06:39 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
Zia, your mom can order the book from Amazon.com through this site. The site gets a (very) small commission, but you don't pay any extra

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:06:58 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Easiest place to get it is from Amazon.com, Zia, but it's published by the American Diabetes Association and you can also get it from them. It's FINALLY back on the shelves -- they had to reprint and have been out of stock for weeks.

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:07:18 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
Go to Jump to a new section at the top of this page, go to Products, then Books for Parents etc

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:07:41 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
bye

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:07:42 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
Guess I told too many people about it, Betty! LOL

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:07:51 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
gone:-(

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:08:35 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Well, folks, any last zingers before I amble off to have my dinner -- sorry our host no-showed tonight but we'll probably just reschedule that topic for some time in the New year. Next week's chatis on Herbal and Diabetes ---

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:09:31 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
I'm not complaining, Judith. I appreciate the help!! I just got a royalty check and will now go out to lunch!! LOLOL

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:09:51 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 14 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
is next week's chat sub-titled - Herbal and Diabetes - RUN AND HIDE!!!!!

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:09:54 Eastern US
Zia from 207.0.108.203
meaning not went to bed but have to get off the Interner bye bye bye bye bye :-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(:-(

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:09:59 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
LOL Betty. May buy you a Snickers bar - if you settle for the small size!

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:10:29 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Night Zia -t hanks for sharing tonight!!

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:11:19 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Judith, I see you understand about book royalties in the diabetes game!! Now, if I could just come up with a good steamy diabetes SEX novel, maybe I could quit my day job!

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:11:20 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 14 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
g'night from here too - time to watch the patriots get creamed on MNF......

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:12:04 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13--dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Now, Steve, a lot of people swear by some herbs. I was surprised to find what seemed to be a pro-herbal supplements article in Diabetes Interview several issues ago. Around the same time, I saw on CNN that, although they may help some people, there were groups of people with D who shouldn't use them, like children and pregnant women. They make me very nervous.

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:12:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
LOL -- close Steve - I think it's something like "The Good, The Bad, and the DON'T GO THERE!"

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:12:14 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
Hey, that teen guide to d tried that approach. Book was awfully dull, however.

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:13:40 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Well, Patti Geil who is that host next week is quite knowledgeable on the subject so I'm going to look forward to learning a lot. Hope to see you all then! Night from AZ.

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:14:01 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13--dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Thanks for helping out again Betty. See you next week.

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:14:31 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
I'm a friend of some other d authors, Diana and Dick Guthrie. Haven't noticed them flying around in a private jet! LOL

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:14:41 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.110
Night, all.

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:14:53 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
Night Brenda - it was, as always, my pleasure --

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:15:43 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 64.12.103.47
So True, Judith - thanks again for all you bring to the chats!

Mon Dec 4 2000 22:18:41 Eastern US
Cari-Ella (CA) (Sam, 13, dx'd June 2000) from 63.30.170.17
Betty are you still on?

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Mon Dec 4 2000 22:25:26 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 207.194.16.147
missed it didn't I!!!???



                 
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