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Food Matters: Herbals, Supplements and Diabetes: Round Two
With Patti Geil on January 15, 2001

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Mon Jan 15 2001 20:50:28 Eastern US
Future Star from 64.111.19.69
hello anyone ????????????????/

Mon Jan 15 2001 20:52:04 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
Thank you in advance to all chat leaders. We are open to new and productive ways to maximize nutrition.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:00:40 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Hi Everyone from Lexington, Kentucky! I'm glad to be with all of you tonite to answer any questions you may have about herbals and supplements in diabetes.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:01:15 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
Good evening Patti. Thanks for joining us.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:01:20 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Hi, Patti! Thanks so much for joinging us. And thanks for that great information page that's posted for the chat tonight.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:02:39 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
You're welcome Betty! It seems like everyone is using some type of herbal product for everything from colds to depression. What have you seen advertised for people with diabetes?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:03:18 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Did you have to battle rain and slet and dark of night this time?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:04:15 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
HA! Betty, the weather and computer are doing well today, although I did do battle with the ski slopes all day!

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:04:31 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
I'd like to know what government agency can put an end to those who claim to be able to cure diabetes with their "pancreas tonic" and other mixtures?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:04:40 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Well, we see a lot of the "diabetic supplement" mixtures marketed by local pharmacies and in the national magazines.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:04:59 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
Patti, does anyone know if herbs/supplements are safe or children as well as adults?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:06:17 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Yes, Betty. I've seen several pieces for "pancreas tonic". Apparently, it's a mixture of a laundry list of minerals, vitamins and undetermined ingredients!

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:07:13 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
I have a question about the effect that sterols/sterolins have on the human body--of cousrse in relationship to diabetes. Any testing? How can we tap into respected Colleges and Universities?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:07:58 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
FYI I have a 1920s bottle from Warner's Safe Diabetes Cure - there's no end to the snake oil salesmen of long ago.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:08:15 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Brenda- I would be very, very cautious about giving supplements to children. As you may already know, the supplements on the market are not required by law to be proven to be safe or effective. Often we don't know what exactly is in these products. And we know that children, because of their lower body mass, are more susceptible to ill effects. Another point- if you have supplements in your home, check to see if they have a child proof cap. Often, they don't and can be easily accessed by curious kids!

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:08:59 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
Ellen, is it unused? Have you taken it to Antiques Roadshow? Personally, I feel the idea of those are interesting, but I don't want to see them on t.v.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:09:14 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Cindie- I am not familiar with the sterol research you mention. Would you care to share more about it?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:10:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Ellen, you've hot on a big issue. Supplement and herbals are treated more like foods than medicines in terms of regulation. Unlike drugs, they do not have to be proven "effective" to be marketed.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:10:23 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
Brenda, it's empty :-) Someone must have been cured LOL *sigh*

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:10:32 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
I have seen where some parents have given Chromium Piccolinate (pardon sp. errors) to their children and seen a reduction in the amount of insulin the child requires. Still, I am nervous about this.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:10:57 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Ellen- I would love to know what's listed in the ingredients in your diabetes cure! It's certainly true that many of our current medicines, such as aspirin, were derived from folk medicine tales.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:11:44 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
I don't have the book at the terminal for reference, but Dr. Myles H Bader received his nutritional dgree at Loma Linda. I am reading NOT so much for insulin reduction as for OVERALL better general health and state of well being.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:12:08 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
Jeff learned some time about that Vit. E was essential for people with D. to help prevent retinopathy, I think. I have since seen that E. may not be that beneficial. Marissa takes 400mg E. per day, with a multi-vit. and vit. C.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:12:10 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
I find it most distressing that parents of newly diagnosed children are so desperate to cure their children - so they are willing to try almost anything that says "natural" on the label.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:13:41 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
Ellen, there are also people who don't believe in medicine and their child dies before they agree to use insulin. These seem to me to be the parents who prefer the natural medicines.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:13:51 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Brenda- chromium may have an effect on glucose tolerance factor in the body; however, there is no research in children and some evidence that chromium can adversely effect DNA. Again, I would be very reluctant to use it in a child. I can appreciate the eagerness of parents of newly-dx children to "try anything". However, natural is not synonymous with safe, particularly in the herbal world!

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:15:46 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
I think part of the reason for the desperate search that many families go through is poor attention to helping folks deal with the emotional aspects of the diagnosis -- left without support, parents understandably suffer and search, not always in helpful places

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:16:27 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
I was surprised to see an article in D. Interview last hear about the benefits of herbs/supplements. It was ironic since I had just seen a CNN story about how dangerous some of those same herbals were for children with D. and pregnant women with D.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:16:57 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
While we are chatting the television is running a commercial. Request/buy this prescription drug and then the side effects go on for 20 seconds. Big Biz :(

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:17:32 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Brenda- Vitamin E has gone from a magic bullet to prevent heart disease to a bit less recommended by the medical profession. As an antioxidant it can work to prevent damage from free radicals, and there have been studies showing improvement in retinopathy. However, these studies used very high amounts- 1800 IU for 4 months, far more than you'd want Marissa to use on a daily basis since the upper tolerable intake for adults is 1000 per day.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:17:36 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
see www.wizaroffood.com/bio.html about Dr. Bader

Although this particular page doesn't give much info, seems the buy is pushing Steroline 2000 for $28.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:17:36 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
When I learned that my daughter had islet cell antibodies I did a lot of research on giving high doses of sustained release nicotinamide. Ultimately I was too afraid of the transient liver side effects...and decided not to give it to her.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:17:39 Eastern US
Dawn (Michigan) (jessi 7 dxd 10-00) from 216.93.118.232
what about this research on transplatting insulin back into the pancreas to get it working again

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:17:45 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
And Patti, isn't it true that the littl bit of postive data on chromiium refers to type 2 diabetes, rather than type 1. Glucose Tolerance Factor effects binding of insulin and so is not likely tobe helpful in an insulin deficient person with type 1 diabetes - child or adult.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:19:05 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Brenda H- thanks for Bader info. I'll check it out after the chat.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:19:40 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
Dawn they are transplanting islet cells into the liver but the recipients have to take potentially toxic immunosuppressants forever. Right now that risk outweighs the benefits for our children. There's a chat about pancreas and islet transplantation right now at http://www.diabetesstation.org/chat with Dr. Sutherland....a terrific transplant surgeon.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:20:15 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Ellen- I think we will be hearing more about nicotinamide and potential prevention of type 1 diabetes. There is some evidence from New Zealand that nicotinomaide will delay/prevent Type 1. However, we are awaiting results of a huge trial before recommending. You were right to be cautious.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:20:19 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
Thanks Brenda, Garry and I did try a bottle. For what it is worth our 45+ year old bodies did seem healthier. I will continue research.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:20:20 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
Patti, I looked a bit more and Bader's site is just to get you to buy his supplements, books, etc. It doesn't tell too much about his "theory."

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:21:17 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Betty- yes, chromium is more closely associated with glucose effects in type 2s.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:21:30 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
Cindie, it may indeed help you feel better, but it had better do so for $28 a bottle. :-)

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:22:05 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
This is exactly my consern. Theory vs reality.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:22:25 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
Patti, although we're not mice, I did read an abstract today :
Acceleration of the development of diabetes in obese diabetic (db/db) mice by nicotinamide: a comparison with its antidiabetic effects in non-obese diabetic mice.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:23:11 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Brenda H- you bring up a good point. You should be skeptical when researching a supplement you may potentially use. Look closely at the web sites to see who sponsors them. Do they have a hidden agenda, such as selling supplements and books? You would be better off seeking info at a web site such as this one!

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:23:46 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Ellen- interesting title. Could you share the gist of their results?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:25:09 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
Patti, Dr. Elliott has been very approachable and forthcoming when I wrote to him. Many researchers felt it was safe to give my daughter the nicotinamide. I felt I could make that decision if it was MY body, but couldn't decide to do something experimental with her body. Very tough decision.

It was more about Type 2 (and again it's rodents not humans) but this was the conclusion:
"Our data shows that in contrast to its preventative effects on the development of autoimmune diabetes in NOD mice, chronic nicotinamide administration to obese diabetic (db/db) mice markedly accelerated the progression of diabetes. The results of our study caution against the use of nicotinamide in insulin-resistant states, such as type 2 diabetes"

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:26:04 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
It's quite a leap from rodent research to human effectiveness, but we have to begin somewhere. Have any of you seen the research about cinnamon improving diabetes control in type 2?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:26:51 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
Cornell and Purdue Texas A&M, just to name a few have ongoing food research. As the public, how can we tap into reserch at these respected insitution? Cinnamon Joseph seems to crave it.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:27:12 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
Yes that and some other Yemenite spices as well.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:27:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
I'd also add that "feeling better" is a pretty unreliable measure of the effect of a supplement. If people expect to feel better - barring severe illness - generally they will. That's why in hard research people are "blinded" to what they're taking (so they have no expectations to alter their perceptions) and changes are documented by lab measures.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:28:54 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
The cinnamon research was done by Richard Anderson, who has done the landmark research into chromium. Apparently, in mice, it makes the fat cells more responsive to insulin and can delay type 2 onset. Not really applicable to Type 1, but interesting none the less.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:28:55 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Yeah, Ellen - hilbeh -- Iwhen I spoke in Israel last spring, the doctor who's doing that reseacrh with the Yemeni spoke -- was good stuff - average drop in A1c in type 2 diabets was 1-2% (about like most of the drugs)

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:30:54 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
Betty B. did you also meet the Dr. at Ben Gurion University who feels that people with type 2 that drink camels milk can reduce their bg levels? He has a camel dairy going. I also know someone in California raising camels for a dairy. Somewhere I have the article about it....it's a steeettttchhhhh I know :-)!

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:31:13 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Let me suggest several reliable nutrition information web sites: the USDA (www.nal.usda.gov/fnic) and www.alternative diabetes.com for another. Also the National Institute of Diabetes & Digestive & Kidney Disease (www.niddk.nih.gov)

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:31:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Patti, how much cinnamon are we talking about? The effect of the hilbeh paste (yemen) was seen with amounts usable in normal cooking as I recall.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:32:25 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Ellen- which Yementi spices are you referring to? Fenugreek is a middle eastern spice that may have true glucose lowering effects.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:33:05 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Yes, Ellen -- they found a biologically active form of insulin in camel's milk that apparently survives digestion sufficiently intct to still have biological activity. pretty cool.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:33:05 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Betty- the amount Richard Anderson cites is 1/4 to 1 teaspoon a day of cinnamon, perhaps in organe juice or oatmeal. (Don't forget to count those carbs, though!)

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:33:26 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
Thank you Patti! My stepmother is a registered Pharmacist and my husband's Grandfather was a herbalist.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:34:03 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
fenugreek was one

Betty - Reuven Yagil: http://www.camelnet.ethz.ch/people/yagil/yagil.htm

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:34:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
God, I love cinnamon - I'll bet I could find more things than that to put it on and in! LOL

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:35:10 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Cindie- sounds like you have a wealth of info available to you. The challenge is to sort thru it to find what's reliable! Always feel free to discuss supplementes with your diabetes team. It's so important for them to know what you're using!

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:35:30 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.183
I got the impression that the fenugreek was used in some sort of paste form, much like curry paste.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:37:42 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Betty- the fenugreek seeds are very high in fiber, soluble fiber the type that slows glucose absorption. It can be made into a past, but the seed powder is dried and available in capsules, powder or a wafer form. It can decrease blood coagulation though, so people on blood thinners should be careful. It also can cause uterine contractions in late pregnancy. Again, "natural" isn't always perfectly safe.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:38:40 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Ellen, thanks. I bookmarked the site. That's not the guy I spoke with. He was a human nutrition scientist but talked about the camel's thing in connection with his work with the Yemmeni tribes.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:39:42 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
Marissa likes cinnamon in/on applesauce, but not too much. I try to buy the natural sauce or make my mine using cinnamon and apple juice.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:40:12 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
Reuven Yagil is terrific Betty, you should write to him.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:41:01 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Patti, sounds a lot like the way bitter melon works. I saw a lot of that when I did training in Asia - LOTS of herbal remedies used there - but it seemed in geenral that their practitioners were much more knowledgeable about herbals -- good and bad - than we are here.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:41:13 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Another bit of herbal research crossed my desk last week- the effects of ginseng on reducing postprandial (after meal) glucose levels. Done in type 2s, but showed that 3 grams of American ginseng kept blood glucose lower 2 hours after meals. Published in Diabetes Care, so it was peer reviewed which is very important for scientific validity.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:42:10 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Betty- yes, Eastern medicine is much more advanced in the herbal area. As is Germany. Physicians there have been using herbals as therapuetic agents for quite some time.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:44:42 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Woah - but there you go again with side effects. Ginseng gives some people quite a buzz because of the alkaloid content -- rapid heart beat and some other unpleasant things if you're senstive to them. You were telling us about how much more dvanced the garmans were on the last chat, Patti. Is there anything that's routinely recommended for Diabetes, from a supplement perpsective?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:45:07 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Bitter melon is another compound we may be hearing more about. There have been human studies on bitter melon and bitter melon juice, showing glucose lowering effects. However, it's very difficult to standardize dosage. It appears the juice is more effective than dried powder. And it's called "bitter" melon for a reason. It is quite difficult to force down!

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:45:13 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat moderator) from 205.188.198.183
In germany, that is...

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:45:44 Eastern US
Heidyn (Type 1-almost pumping) from 164.106.22.61
anybody still here?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:46:14 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Hi, Heidyn - glad you could make it -- jump on in, we're talking about herbals and supplements

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:46:55 Eastern US
Heidyn (Type 1-almost pumping) from 164.106.22.61
sounds good...

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:47:45 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
I visited alternative diabetes.com earlier today. Question? High Fiber foods--supplement or not bring greater benefit to the body? Before big business what was a "customary treatment" for diabetes

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:47:52 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Betty- the Europeans have been more aggressive in recommending herbals as treatment for the complications for diabetes. For example, bilberry (a relative of our blueberry) has been recommended for years as treatment for retinopathy. Bilberry was looked at more closely after British Air Force pilots reported improved vision on night bombing runs during WWII after scarfing down a tablespoon or so of bilberry jam before a night run!

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:48:12 Eastern US
Beth (Sara, 17) from 209.42.81.122
Hi. Happened to see the title and thought I'd stop by. We used supplements quite a lot when Sara was first diagnosed. Being a teen, trying to get her to do anything now is almost impossible though.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:48:17 Eastern US
Heidyn (Type 1-almost pumping) from 164.106.22.61
Does anyone know what the benifets of evening primrose oil are?whether they'd be of benifits in diabetes

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:49:37 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Cindie- I am a big advocate of fiber, particularly soluble fiber like beans and oats. (You would expect this from someone who wrote a cookbook with 150 bean recipes, though?!?) Fiber supplements may not be as effective as high fiber foods; there are so many compounds in food that have effects that we don't know about- and can't replicate- in a supplement.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:49:48 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
What supplements did you use Beth?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:51:05 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Heidyn- evening primrose is also called gamma linolenic acid. It is an essential fatty acid which may reduce inflammation and pain. Used in Europe to treat neuropathy.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:51:12 Eastern US
Beth (Sara, 17) from 209.42.81.122
We used some CellTech products called Alpha Sun and Omega Sun and then also used Fenugreek. We seemed to have quite a lot of success actually.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:51:59 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
Thank you Patti. I was at TX Tech when the work was done on cotton seed flour. Living is West Tx most of my life I never dreamed that as a culture we would be eating the seeds.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:52:22 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Beth- I'm familiar with fenugreek. What were the ingredients in the Alpha and Omega Sun products?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:53:05 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
Which form of Vitamin E is the best to use for antioxidant properties and how much would a 120 pound 13 year old take daily?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:53:42 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Cindie- as Hippocrates said, Let food be your medicine. I believe we are coming full circle with that, don't you?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:54:18 Eastern US
Beth (Sara, 17) from 209.42.81.122
You would ask since I just finally threw out all the info here recently since I couldn't get Sara to take them anymore. Basically they had a lot of trace amounts of almost every mineral along with vitamins of all sorts plus some proteins and amino acids.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:55:34 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
I am concerned with the antibotics in the animals feed and the genetic changes taking place in the lab.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:56:22 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Ellen- New information shows that the natural form of alpha tocopheral (Vit E) is most effective. Look for products that have the natural form, noted on the label as d-alpha tocopheraol. Dl-alpha tocopherol is the synthetic form. The daily recommended intake (DRI) of Vitamin E for a 14 year old is 15 mg/day.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:57:00 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
Cindie, ever read the novel My Year of Meats? Terrific quirky book...right on point.

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:57:31 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Ellen- sounds like a book a dietitian would like to read!

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:59:29 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
I'm gently reading several things. Would My Year of Meats be at Amazon.com?

Mon Jan 15 2001 21:59:39 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
We've had a stimulating discussion tonite. I applaud your interest in the effects of nutrition on your health and that of your children! Remember that we're learning more about supplements all the time. Until we have government safety regulation of these products, though, you should keep in mind that the companies that market them don't have to prove that they are safe or effective. Let the buyer beware!

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:00:04 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Patti, we're coming to the end of our time. Is there any summary or last thoughts you'd like to share?

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:00:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Ha! Beat me to it!! LOL

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:01:07 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
My Year of Meats
by Ruth L. Ozeki

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:01:08 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat moderator) from 205.188.198.183
PAtti, thanks so much - and thanks to all of you who have made the chat so lively and informative tonight!

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:01:47 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Betty- thanks for the opportunity!

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:01:55 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
I'll share that we should support medical research to cure diabetes, and not look for the cure in a pill or liquid form manufactured by someone who is just out to make a buck on those who really need a cure for diabetes.

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:02:03 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
Good night and Thanks

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:02:48 Eastern US
Patti (Guest chat leader) from 65.8.175.87
Amen, Ellen! Good night to you all...

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:02:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat moderator) from 205.188.198.183
It's always great to have patti withus -- thanks again for sharing our expertise in this interesting area! The room will stay open for a while yet for those that want to keep chatting. See you next week!

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:03:40 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat moderator) from 205.188.198.183
Amen, Ellen. Good night :-)

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:04:03 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx 2/89, pump 5.5 years) from 64.12.105.188
Thanks Pattie and Betty B.

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:04:42 Eastern US
Cindie (Mom, Joseph, 13, dx'd @ 11) from 63.26.171.28
Betty and Patti, Do you have offices/websites/or places to stay in touch?

Mon Jan 15 2001 22:08:39 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.34
Guess I missed it!!



                 
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